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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: JezuzWazaMushroom on June 24, 2013, 02:46 am
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This type of unnecessary behaviour feedback allows for profiling of vendors and countries and if you have any questions about a vendor ask the vendor, a well known forum member, or use your brains and read the vendors profile review on the forums!
An example would be the review on Tyl3r's account from some n00bies in the first section... utterly stupid and certain vendors with sense have asked them to specifically asked them not to like Symbiosis and here's a direct quote on his front page...
"Also could everyone please stop mentioning their country of origin in the feedback, we don't want those squares at customs ruining everyone's fun!"
Listen to it... learn it... practice it!
Cheers - JWM
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Yes. I agree.
I think SR should make a statement about this and dare i say it CENSOR any feedback that discuses location of either buyer or vendor and of course TOO detailed feedback regarding stealth.
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I agree to. No point makin it easier for the asses that don't approve of our way of life ;)
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It really doesn't make a difference
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It does not make a difference. Unless you are one of the vendors that does not mark where he is shipping from, which will help lose business for yourself, then it does not matter. Now if the package was intercepted I could see how this detailed feedback could mess some things up. But, if someone is leaving feedback on a package that usually means that the parcel made it to them. Otherwise, anyone can see what the person ordered even if they do not say specifically what that item was in the feedback by clicking the link labeled "item" next to the feedback in question.
So what is the problem? There is none. Being overly paranoid does not help your situation, although a small amount of paranoia is needed in order to keep yourself safe. Good luck with your endeavors.
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From my thread Domestic Listings per Country/Region on Silk Road: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=176825.0 one can see there's 16517 listings on undeclared, but if every region is count separately excluding undeclared there's only 12462. This basically means there's roughly 4055 listings which are marked as "undeclared" only, supposedly to try and be as stealthy as possible. While I understand to a certain degree why they aren't listing the country of origin all mail is marked with information where it's from when it's sent so there's no way of hiding this. A country in itself will very rarely be enough information to do any sorts of profiling unless it's a very small region and most customers are probably interested in knowing how long a package takes from someone who is marked as "undeclared".
For the stealth aspect that's an entirely different thing, linking a very specific description of the package both outside and inside to a specific vendor is very good profiling information for Law Enforcement, which should be avoided.
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I've been on over a year, and have been on the fence about this issue. I mean, unless the great "secret" about the Vendor, is that they ship from Germany, even though it says Netherlands in the listing. Otherwise, it's pretty easy to see what goes where.
If they say, Worldwide, except yaddda yadda, and yadda, then Leo knows already.
Then you say to yourself, why make their job any easier? - I've thought that too.
I'm in North America. I used to deal a lot with the countries I mentioned above. I scared one off by stating "Hey great stealth! I had another parcel delivered that same day with a customs seizure notice inside" Same postmark!" - Then I went on to list the postmark. - OK THAT WAS STUPID.
(I was a noob and learning)
Although- every cloud has a silver lining. - The vendor who's shipment was seized, wanted a scan of the notice and whatnot to make it up to me, which I did, and we got to know each other a little bit with all the back and forth, he asked for stealth ideas. I gave 1 example of one I knew to work, and a few originals of my own, having been an ebayer since 1998. He tried my suggestions. 10 days later I had said product in my hands. AND - It had been opened, and hastily stapled back up, with no customs notice, so you know it was most likely on his side. The US tends to like letting you know that they can and will open whatever they want.
The guys stealth was so good, they opened the 'gift' I ordered, and closed it up again, leaving my treat in tact.
So that is why I can't say for sure that it's the worst thing in the world.
After my first faux pas, I started asking vendors 1st before doing so, and really only dealt with a handful of regular overseas Vendors.
Just thought I'd share my experience with the whole issue.
Thanx
- Chipster
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I assume that LE has already ordered from me to figure out what region I am shipping from. I don't think where you are shipping from could ever be kept a secret.
I guess there is an argument to not make it easy for them though.
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This type of unnecessary behaviour feedback allows for profiling of vendors and countries and if you have any questions about a vendor ask the vendor, a well known forum member, or use your brains and read the vendors profile review on the forums!
An example would be the review on Tyl3r's account from some n00bies in the first section... utterly stupid and certain vendors with sense have asked them to specifically asked them not to like Symbiosis and here's a direct quote on his front page...
"Also could everyone please stop mentioning their country of origin in the feedback, we don't want those squares at customs ruining everyone's fun!"
Listen to it... learn it... practice it!
Cheers - JWM
This is the most sensible thing I have seen you post on here... +1...
I totally agree... Review the Quality, Quantity, Stealth and Comms.
Just leave out the Region your in..
LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS...
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Usually I write the feedback after I've already received the package. I write something along the lines of "ordered on a tuesday, in transit on Wednesday, and arrived the following wednesday to East coast US". I write these things so that others from my area can get an idea on how long the package takes to arrive. I don't understand how LE or customs could use this to their advantage, unless someone posted what day they ordered on the forums or something while it was still in transit. Then I suppose customs could pay extra attention to packages coming in the mail from the vendors country of origin on the estimated date of arrival. That seems like a lot of extra work just to catch someone with an eigth of bud or a couple hits of LSD. I could only forsee this being a problem if someone was stupid enough to order bulk amounts of drugs, and then go blabbing about the details on here right after he placed an order. I'm no expert though. just my two cents
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Roger that.
also vendors should stop mentioning where they send from. So countries like uk wouldn't get tagged as drug distribution hotspots.
just say West/East Eu, or Us or whatnot ..
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Usually I write the feedback after I've already received the package. I write something along the lines of "ordered on a tuesday, in transit on Wednesday, and arrived the following wednesday to East coast US". I write these things so that others from my area can get an idea on how long the package takes to arrive. I don't understand how LE or customs could use this to their advantage, unless someone posted what day they ordered on the forums or something while it was still in transit. Then I suppose customs could pay extra attention to packages coming in the mail from the vendors country of origin on the estimated date of arrival. That seems like a lot of extra work just to catch someone with an eigth of bud or a couple hits of LSD. I could only forsee this being a problem if someone was stupid enough to order bulk amounts of drugs, and then go blabbing about the details on here right after he placed an order. I'm no expert though. just my two cents
Thats exactly it..
You may just be buying a couple of tabs or an 1/8th of bud from an overseas vendor and think its all good leaving your country and region in the feedback because its only a small order. But there are others that have ordered before and after you that are waiting on much bigger amounts...
I cringe every time I see someone mention country / region on my favorite vendors pages..
The less information just handed out freely to those against this beautiful little thing we have here the safer we all are..
Some say its paranoid, but really the less info we give away about region in feedback, the more work it takes to figure out how much of what is going where...
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I would say that "time" is acceptable to put in the item's feedback. As long as there is no mention of location, and especially no mention of the package.
E.g. "Ordered Friday morning, shipped Friday afternoon, delivered Monday afternoon" should be okay. Doubt that LE would look for any patterns in the hundreds of thousands of parcels or more that fit that timeframe.
But as soon as you introduce the location, or the type of parcel, you are giving them 2 datapoints from which to trace the package, and the hundreds of thousands get reduced to a couple thousand, or even less.
Many items like heroin, meth, cannabis, the buyers want to know exactly how long it will take to receive the item, and many vendors of such items pride themselves in being able to have their items delivered in a set number of days, consistently for each and every order. For these items, having feedbacks that indicate "2 days delivery or 3 days delivery" gives you a better idea of actual delivery times than simply trusting whatever the vendor puts on their profile.
So I would say no, it's not unacceptable. But people need to be smart about *exactly* what information they are revealing in their feedbacks.
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Hi SR´s!!
I think if LE wants to get some info about a vendor, they´ll (and do) order something and pm them.
So they can see the vendor´s packaging methods and of course the country it was shipped from.
And for me as a buyer it´s a good info, about how long it needs to receive the item, cause every day more means a higher %age for a seizure.
Therefore, I think, buyers often check the feedbacks to get an idea, how long it could need to their place.
For instance you ordered something that normaly needs 2-3 days. You read in the feedback there´s mostly a little delay.
So you know that you don´t need to check it before day 4 or so. (if it´s not your own letterbox)
Of course, if the vendors place is "undeclared", I avoid particularly to mention the ship of - country in the feedback!
But I can write how long it needed (about) to US, EU, AU, etc, so other customers can calculate with.
And I don´t know how this helps LE if they can order themself...
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Plus one
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if vendors cared about being profiled they wouldnt be on here
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whilst I'm not a fan of jwm's spam in the aussie thread... his message here is important so +1!
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whilst I'm not a fan of jwm's spam in the aussie thread... his message here is important so +1!
Wait a minute! JWM???
The same guy who wanted to vend Silk Road T-Shirts, to "Wear Proudly", and even FLAGS as well???
Tell me JWM, did you finally see the point in not 'advertizing' this site??
Or do you still stand firm on that thought, but mentioning what country an anonymous package got delivered to, is going to bring down this whole operation?
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I dont see where it matters.
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Unless there has been a problem with an order just say thanks,theres no need to elaborate this isnt fucking ebay.
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Unless there has been a problem with an order just say thanks,theres no need to elaborate this isnt fucking ebay.
.... Have you not heard that the Silk Road is the Amazon of drugs! Those feedbacks are needed in order for buyers to trust vendors. The vendors have our buyers stats to judge us. Just don't state the exact location. A region would be fine. Also, you do not need to state what date it was placed in transit and what day you received. Just give us a number of days it took to receive to your region. I mean we have enough trust to give these vendors our sensitive information. Say a domestic vendor in the USA is sending out packages. He isn't just sending them to all one state. It is most likely a variety of states and regions. It would be safe for LE to assume that that vendor will be mailing it to all 50 states. If they assume that then there is no reason for us to not describe region and timing.
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There is no need to elaborate unless there has been a problem,no one gives a fuck that u got your parcel from amsterdam to johanesberg in 5 days.
If u didnt receive your parcel then people will want to know why so they can decide if they want to take a risk of dealing with a vendor whos parcels arent arriving.
If u got your parcel just say thanks,thats it simple.
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There is no need to elaborate unless there has been a problem,no one gives a fuck that u got your parcel from amsterdam to johanesberg in 5 days.
If u didnt receive your parcel then people will want to know why so they can decide if they want to take a risk of dealing with a vendor whos parcels arent arriving.
If u got your parcel just say thanks,thats it simple.
Except this is exactly what people are looking for information-wise, especially if the vendor has set the country to undeclared. If the mail doesn't arrive to a buyer the country in question will also be highly relevant, although from what I've seen buyers usually don't include that kind of information when its been seized - I suppose feedback from resolution won't show up? To think about this from a different perspective, consider vendors who are listing success rates of countries they've shipped to - how could this ever become a problem?
The only realistic solution to this as far as I can see is putting up an selectable option for the vendor where he has to either approve feedback before it's being shown or just having the option of censoring specific ones. I'm sure its happened at some point that some buyer got mail with tracking, posted the tracking number along with exact packaging methods in the feedback afterwards and SR had to step in and remove it.
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There is no need to elaborate unless there has been a problem,no one gives a fuck that u got your parcel from amsterdam to johanesberg in 5 days.
If u didnt receive your parcel then people will want to know why so they can decide if they want to take a risk of dealing with a vendor whos parcels arent arriving.
If u got your parcel just say thanks,thats it simple.
I find your logic not very valuable. That is just the info I would want. I want to know when my package arrives and I look through feedbacks to find out that info. I would choose a vendor over another if I thought a certain product can reach me quicker.
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some seriously paranoid people on here. :o
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some seriously paranoid people on here. :o
Very much agree. All it would take is LE to order from a vendor and they have all the information that the OP is stating not to say in the feedback. Trust me, top 5% vendors are selling product to LE. And LE knows about them. The only reasonable way to combat this is for a vendor to change their name periodically. It would suck, but, hey if you are that worried then you might as well create a new vendor account.
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So now we're just acting like LE does not order from vendors? ::)
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Hi SR´s!!
I think if LE wants to get some info about a vendor, they´ll (and do) order something and pm them.
So they can see the vendor´s packaging methods and of course the country it was shipped from.
And for me as a buyer it´s a good info, about how long it needs to receive the item, cause every day more means a higher %age for a seizure.
Therefore, I think, buyers often check the feedbacks to get an idea, how long it could need to their place.
For instance you ordered something that normaly needs 2-3 days. You read in the feedback there´s mostly a little delay.
So you know that you don´t need to check it before day 4 or so. (if it´s not your own letterbox)
Of course, if the vendors place is "undeclared", I avoid particularly to mention the ship of - country in the feedback!
But I can write how long it needed (about) to US, EU, AU, etc, so other customers can calculate with.
And I don´t know how this helps LE if they can order themself...
A voice from the grave speaks the truth. Well done for pointing this out first Mr Cobain ;)
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i saw feedback today showing "received in mail in x amount of days" and kinda of sighed. if being careful/thoughtful is considered smart, i'd say it's not that difficult. you just have to think.
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I put "arrived in X amount of days to east coast" or something similar. - That's the way it should be done, and is. - Most experienced buyers on here agree. This is the feedback we want to see, in addition to whether stealth was good (of course not describing package).
Also 'of course' you don't say from what city it shipped, just because you can see it on the postmark. However, if it's from coming from a country that the vendor says they're shipping from, it's stupid to worry about stating that in the feedback. It's right in the listing!
This is an idiotic thread, started by an idiot
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I got head from your mom lastnight. :p
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Your all so fucking dumb, keeping your stupid yap shut is the smartest thing any of u idiots will do on Silk Road.
Just because u got your shipment from point A to point B doesnt mean the next guy will,if there is no need to say anything then dont.
Get in to some good habits,loose lips sink ships.
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This type of unnecessary behaviour feedback allows for profiling of vendors and countries and if you have any questions about a vendor ask the vendor, a well known forum member, or use your brains and read the vendors profile review on the forums!
An example would be the review on Tyl3r's account from some n00bies in the first section... utterly stupid and certain vendors with sense have asked them to specifically asked them not to like Symbiosis and here's a direct quote on his front page...
"Also could everyone please stop mentioning their country of origin in the feedback, we don't want those squares at customs ruining everyone's fun!"
Listen to it... learn it... practice it!
Cheers - JWM
why everyone knows everything or maybe you aint paid up.yet
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whilst I'm not a fan of jwm's spam in the aussie thread... his message here is important so +1!
Wait a minute! JWM???
The same guy who wanted to vend Silk Road T-Shirts, to "Wear Proudly", and even FLAGS as well???
Tell me JWM, did you finally see the point in not 'advertizing' this site??
Or do you still stand firm on that thought, but mentioning what country an anonymous package got delivered to, is going to bring down this whole operation?
There's a difference between that and saying I received X package from Y vendor in Z time dude!
If you can't see the difference you're more stupid than I thought!
Silk Road is no secret and I had the ok from DPR... nuff said!
In case you were asleep the last week Atlantis advertised on YouTube with a huge influx of visitors to the site as well as Reddit.
Owning a Silk Road mug or flag is no different to owning one with a psychedelic Alber Hoffman or one of those trippy alien posters or some shit.
Wake up and see the difference sunshine, there's SR merchandise and there's being an idiot telling LE what's coming in in how many days from where...
It's not apples and oranges apart it's planets and galaxies apart! ::)
Nice attempt at a troll though (golf clap). ;)
- JWM 8)